Tuesday, July 24, 2007

Arguments against the existence of God

I'll begin with the argument from religious experience - I'll deal with other kinds of arguments about god in a later post, but the most common way in which people attempt to justify their belief in god is personal - they have experienced god, they have a relationship with god, so of course god exists.

Let's formalize this claim:
Argument from religious experience:
1 many people have religious experiences, which they interpret as experiences of God;
2 people’s own interpretations of their experiences are trustworthy;
thus, God exists.

The problems with this argument abound - here's a few: for premise 1, which tradition/ history of experience are we referring to? Different religions and different believer's claimed experiences make numerous conflicting/ contradictory claims, with many different incompatible theories of God proclaimed - leads to doubt that one single thing could be so multiply interpreted. At most one is right. If many are wrong, why not all?

Premise 2 is fairly obviously false - the mere having of religious experience obviously doesn’t guarantee God exists, or more to the point, guarantee that one is an accurate interpreter of one's own experience. We misunderstand what is happening to us all the time. Take, say, schizophrenia and the biblical story of Abraham and Isaac, in which God tells Abraham to kill his son... what would you say to someone who walks up to you on the street and tells you - 'God told me to kill my family'. Would you take that as proof of the existence of the divine? Or is a mental disorder a more likely (and more parsimonius) explanation?

Are there any other ways to explain religious experience other than real God? Yes –

Other arguments against existence of God - Let's start here by formalizing that first problem above:

Inductive argument from diversity of religious experience versus God:
1 many people have religious experiences, which they interpret as experiences of God, but their accounts conflict;
2 there are 10000-plus different religions, all relying on claimed experiences of the divine, all of which accounts conflict in at least some detail (or else they would be the same religion!);
3 hence, most religions and their claims about the experience of the divine are untrustworthy in at least some details about God, as at most one could be entirely right;
4 there is no rational way to decide that one faith-based claim about god is more defensible than any other (analytic, from the definition of faith)
5 hence, there is no rational reason to think any particular religion is more likely to be entirely correct than any other
6 But logic dictates that (almost) all religions make false claims about god – at most one could be correct - so (almost?) all religions make false claims about god
7 Given there’s no rational basis for choice and the vast majority are known to be false, then inductively, the only reasonable belief is that all religions and personal experiences are wrong about God - that indeed, all religions make false claims about god
5 Occam’s razor – so we don’t need true beliefs about God to explain religious belief
thus, God doesn’t exist.

Another argument versus God- Argument from Simplicity:
1 Occam’s razor/ principle of parsimony/ simplicity - don't multiply entities beyond necessity, don't believe in the existence of things that are not required for explanations
2 we don’t directly experience anything that corresponds to concept (definition) of God (cf apple, or the color orange)
3 we don’t indirectly experience anything whose best explanation is that it must be caused by God (cf electron, proton)
4 So God is not required to explain any experience we have
So no need for God’s existence – so by Occam’s razor, God doesn’t exist

And another - for the simplicity argument is connected to ‘God of the gaps’ argument:
1 we believe in a supernatural God because It explains what natural science cannot
2 so God’s attributes are traditionally given in terms of what science cannot explain – god is defined by the gaps in science
3 But the history of science shows that science progressively explains more and more things formerly attributed to God
4 Inductively, there’s no reason to think that science will not eventually explain everything that can be explained
5 So God explains nothing – and so has no attributes
So God does not exist

Compare the problem of evil (POE): argument against God from concept and consequences
1 God is 3 omnis (omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent) and creator of the universe
2 Evil exists
3 God, if existing, would not allow evil (If God is 3 omnis, evil would not exist; i.e., God and evil are incompatible - (God would know how to, want to, and could prevent all evil).
Thus, God does not exist

3 comments:

Anonymous said...

Philosophy explains what religion cannot. thus religion doesnt have a logical explanation for the things that philosophi explain and religion cannot. GOD DOESNT EXIST

Anonymous said...

true, philosophy can explain the things that religion cant.but this does not mean god doesnt exist.
i'd rather live a good life and find out at the end there isnt a god, then to live a bad life then find out there is.
JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO ETERNAL LIFE...

Anonymous said...

"God and evil are incompatible." God didn't make a perfect world because he didn't want to. He didn't want us to sit back in our recliners all day drink pop, have a bowl of popcorn in our lap and watch television. If there was no evil what would humanity fight for? Evil was necessary in the process of creation. Make a perfect world?! Ha! Although we would very much like a world without flaws God knew that it was impossible. EARTH IS NOT HEAVEN! So why would God make two Heavens. No! Evil brings out the ones that will be damned. It picks apart the good from the bad obviously. A major portion of the Earth believes in God. Yes there are hundreds, perhaps thousands of religions in the world today but why aren't they as wide spread as three major monotheistic religions today? Judaism, Christianity, and Islam? Christianity and Islam have followers well into the billions. You still fail to back up your statements. Abraham actually didn't kill his son, this was not trying to prove God's existence either, it was a story about God and his creation. The moral of the story is to instruct people to listen to God no matter what so therefore I think it is hardly fair to use the story without actually including the moral of the story which was not to prove God's existence but was used to tell believers to listen to God. Abraham didn't go out to thousands of people and yell, "GOD TOLD ME TO KILL MY SON! BOW DOWN BEFORE HIS GRACE!" Hardly sir! I would like some examples of incompatible theories of God! You then go on to say "one single thing can be so multiply interpreted." If you are referring to the many different ways people come to God...I agree. But hence, there is not only one way to achieve belief in God. Judaism with Abraham didn't start like Muhammad of Islam and Jesus of Christianity. Yes these are different religions that have their disagreements, i.e. Christians think that Jesus is the only way! But I disagree saying that Jesus was God so therefore if a Muslim believes in God he or she is saved because Jesus is technically God in the flesh but commonly referred to as His son. Jesus was just God trying to get people to believe in him, just like Muhammad and Abraham. Except he was in the flesh. They do have disagreements, but the basis that built all three religions is still there. ONE GOD. MONOTHEISM. All concur they worship the same God. "If many are wrong why not all?" It would probably be better to say if many are different why aren't they all wrong? And how does logic dictate that all religions make false claims about God?! Give me an example of Christianity making a false claim about God. I'm sorry but you make no sense! I'm either a dumb 16 year old or God does exist. I have felt him. Now I'm not saying just because I feel God that that gives me a reason to believe in God! I have studied on and on and on about different possibilities of creation. Evolution of course is, well, the only other possible solution, or it could be a correlation between God and evolution. Which in reality is the only way evolution could be achieved without the universe winning the lottery millions of times. And I believe the theory of evolution is extremely vague. And at this moment...just as you use your logic to combat the existence of God I will show you my understanding of logic. To build a house you need many bricks. Say that some portions of the house need to have the bricks cut or require bigger bricks. Also you need carpeting, walls, everything that goes into a house. How is one SIMPLE brick going to make itself into a COMPLEX house. It can reproduce itself but its properties don't allow it to become carpet or a wall over millions of years. DNA is like an operating system. Take a file out and replace with a Mac operating system's file and they system will crash. Or if you just simply take a file out the same exact thing will happen. CRASH! This throws out the theory of natural selection obviously. But it is a theory that many scientists live by! They couldn't throw out one hundred years of misunderstanding. And the basis for this generation's scientific discoveries! But in reality the theory of evolution will be dead in the coming years. There hasn't been many breakthroughs other than the findings of fossils and assumptions. Richard Dawkins loves this theory so much he said even if there is no evidence for evolution it should still be chosen over all other explanations. Right randomness over evidence. And many atheists call religious people ignorant or mentally challenged. They are always feeling threatened and are extremely defensive. I find atheists to be misunderstanding of Christianity saying religion spreads fear when in reality it spreads love. Saying religion commits genocide and terrorism. When I could tell you of Soviet Russia and China killing an estimated 50 million people. An example of love is a missionary going to Africa to help people in need. That is what Christianity teaches and the ones that do tell people they're going to Hell are not practicing TRUE CHRISTIANITY. And I would like to ask you what you think about this story: a boy that has terminal cancer is sitting on his death bed at the tender age of eight. His mom is sitting next to him expecting him to die at any moment. His son passes for a couple second. His body his dead. He wakes up saying, "Mommy, Jesus said I could stay for a while longer." The doctors do a full scan. THE CANCER IS GONE. No please enlighten me but is this a miracle? Of course it is. Can you give me a scientific explanation to the disappearance of cancer?